Comments on: Absentee ballot performance http://bc2009.com/2009/05/27/absentee-ballot-performance/ The race for Victoria Sat, 08 Aug 2009 21:36:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: shepsil http://bc2009.com/2009/05/27/absentee-ballot-performance/comment-page-1/#comment-2330 shepsil Sun, 14 Jun 2009 20:01:26 +0000 http://bc2009.com/?p=2759#comment-2330 Glass - I suggest that if you want what you say to be given any credibility, then you should reference where it has been said that the NDP claims 700 IPP projects are about to start. In your case, all your assumptions appear to be based on unsubstantiated stories and sound like corner store gossip that does nothing for anyone's reputation, including yours. Glass – I suggest that if you want what you say to be given any credibility, then you should reference where it has been said that the NDP claims 700 IPP projects are about to start. In your case, all your assumptions appear to be based on unsubstantiated stories and sound like corner store gossip that does nothing for anyone’s reputation, including yours.

]]> By: Glass http://bc2009.com/2009/05/27/absentee-ballot-performance/comment-page-1/#comment-2274 Glass Tue, 02 Jun 2009 03:38:23 +0000 http://bc2009.com/?p=2759#comment-2274 I have been a scrutineer, and I can swear that the clerks and the counters are all partisan. Of course they generally have the discipline to abide by the law and keep it private. But when one party (NDP) encourages ideologism, cause oriented belief systems, and fanaticism, what that means is that, - what is good for the party is good for society - and invariably you will see bias show through the election process - only from the side that promotes ideology (NDP, leftists) and not those who suppress ideology (liberals). In other words, those who play loosy and goofy with the truth (for example NDP lies that 700 IPP projects are about to start) can always be suspect of shady behaviour - for good reason. Hell hath no fury like an ideologue scorned. I have been a scrutineer, and I can swear that the clerks and the counters are all partisan. Of course they generally have the discipline to abide by the law and keep it private.

But when one party (NDP) encourages ideologism, cause oriented belief systems, and fanaticism, what that means is that, – what is good for the party is good for society – and invariably you will see bias show through the election process – only from the side that promotes ideology (NDP, leftists) and not those who suppress ideology (liberals).

In other words, those who play loosy and goofy with the truth (for example NDP lies that 700 IPP projects are about to start) can always be suspect of shady behaviour – for good reason.

Hell hath no fury like an ideologue scorned.

]]> By: Sacha Peter http://bc2009.com/2009/05/27/absentee-ballot-performance/comment-page-1/#comment-2271 Sacha Peter Mon, 01 Jun 2009 21:18:16 +0000 http://bc2009.com/?p=2759#comment-2271 Thanks for the mention - I would be absolutely shocked if the NDP and/or Charlie Wyse did not follow up on it. If there was something "smoky" there, I am absolutely sure it would have hit the media by now. This is also why the judicial recount option is available. Elections BC has always done a top-notch job, and such corrections have occurred in other electoral districts. Just that the closeness of this particular race is what made us notice what would otherwise be routine adjustments. Thanks for the mention – I would be absolutely shocked if the NDP and/or Charlie Wyse did not follow up on it. If there was something “smoky” there, I am absolutely sure it would have hit the media by now.

This is also why the judicial recount option is available.

Elections BC has always done a top-notch job, and such corrections have occurred in other electoral districts. Just that the closeness of this particular race is what made us notice what would otherwise be routine adjustments.

]]> By: politics101 http://bc2009.com/2009/05/27/absentee-ballot-performance/comment-page-1/#comment-2270 politics101 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 21:15:56 +0000 http://bc2009.com/?p=2759#comment-2270 It didn't copy well here - but in your post on a previous article it only shows that the NDP had 82 votes taken from them and no votes added to the Liberals which would suggest that they never existed in the first place. Cariboo-Chilcotin 0 -82 0 0 0 0 0 -82 LIB 59 Elections BC knows which poll these numbers come from and who the voting officers were - they are awaiting for info on how the numbers were arrived at - the fact that the NDP have been silent so far may indicate that they are aware that these votes never existed and therefore aren't disputing them It didn’t copy well here – but in your post on a previous article it only shows that the NDP had 82 votes taken from them and no votes added to the Liberals which would suggest that they never existed in the first place.

Cariboo-Chilcotin 0 -82 0 0 0 0 0 -82 LIB 59

Elections BC knows which poll these numbers come from and who the voting officers were – they are awaiting for info on how the numbers were arrived at – the fact that the NDP have been silent so far may indicate that they are aware that these votes never existed and therefore aren’t disputing them

]]> By: Sacha Peter http://bc2009.com/2009/05/27/absentee-ballot-performance/comment-page-1/#comment-2268 Sacha Peter Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:14:32 +0000 http://bc2009.com/?p=2759#comment-2268 If there was even a hint of fraud or impropriety in the count, Charlie Wyse had the right to call for a judicial recount. I forgot what the deadline it - it might even still be possible. The most likely explanation is that the poll clerk wrote down a number for the BC Liberals and the other number for the NDP, when the two should have been flipped around. The accounting the poll clerks have to do at counting time would have still balanced. This is why they call it "initial count", mainly because the numbers aren't to be taken as authoritative. If there was even a hint of fraud or impropriety in the count, Charlie Wyse had the right to call for a judicial recount. I forgot what the deadline it – it might even still be possible.

The most likely explanation is that the poll clerk wrote down a number for the BC Liberals and the other number for the NDP, when the two should have been flipped around. The accounting the poll clerks have to do at counting time would have still balanced.

This is why they call it “initial count”, mainly because the numbers aren’t to be taken as authoritative.

]]> By: politics101 http://bc2009.com/2009/05/27/absentee-ballot-performance/comment-page-1/#comment-2267 politics101 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:10:00 +0000 http://bc2009.com/?p=2759#comment-2267 Glass - that is a good question - why are the NDP not screaming blue murder about the 82 vote taken away from election night - Behind the scenes Elections BC are investigating the matter - whether we hear anything may depend on what they find. Glass – that is a good question – why are the NDP not screaming blue murder about the 82 vote taken away from election night – Behind the scenes Elections BC are investigating the matter – whether we hear anything may depend on what they find.

]]> By: Glass http://bc2009.com/2009/05/27/absentee-ballot-performance/comment-page-1/#comment-2265 Glass Mon, 01 Jun 2009 05:58:53 +0000 http://bc2009.com/?p=2759#comment-2265 The Cariboo Chilcotin discrepency appears more than just absentee/special ballots. I believe there is some miscounting. Is anybody pursuing this matter? When the NDP lies so blatantly and is run by Jim Sinclair, I for one am not going to trust them. The Cariboo Chilcotin discrepency appears more than just absentee/special ballots. I believe there is some miscounting. Is anybody pursuing this matter?

When the NDP lies so blatantly and is run by Jim Sinclair, I for one am not going to trust them.

]]> By: brg http://bc2009.com/2009/05/27/absentee-ballot-performance/comment-page-1/#comment-2244 brg Wed, 27 May 2009 22:35:31 +0000 http://bc2009.com/?p=2759#comment-2244 The ndp also gained net votes after absentee/special ballots were added to the "final count" in 2005. Many of these votes are from younger people who are more mobile and have moved recently. Younger voters trend toward the ndp or green parties. In some districts with a larger senior citizens population more votes are recieved via mail. In some years these ballots slightly favour the ndp. This year more identification was required; this may produce more ballots that were counted late and also trended ndp or green. The ndp also gained net votes after absentee/special ballots were added to the “final count” in 2005.
Many of these votes are from younger people who are more mobile and have moved recently. Younger voters trend toward the ndp or green parties. In some districts with a larger senior citizens population more votes are recieved via mail. In some years these ballots slightly favour the ndp.
This year more identification was required; this may produce more ballots that were counted late and also trended ndp or green.

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